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PCA "Study" Committee

11:32:26 pm on May 8th, 2007, by William Hill Email (186 views )
Filed under: Federal Vision

By now many have heard about the recent release of the PCA Study Committee's paper on the Federal Vision(FV). You can get a PDF version of it here. Anyhow, someone commented on another blog (and also here on The Parchment) and made some interesting observations. Here is his comment in its entirety:

As an elder in the PCA for the past 24 years, and one who has attended many presbytery meetings and General Assemblies, I can firmly say that I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the study committee was set up with the particular membership to bring about a desired conclusion. Historically, when a study committee has been set up, both proponents and opponents formed part of the committee. See the study committees on Creation, Women in the Military, Paedocommunion, to name a few. Look at results of study committees and note that there were both majority and minority reports. What does that tell you? Not everybody was in agreement. They knew that would be the case going into their study but the desire was to see two sides work together to try and reach a consensus through honest theological interaction, not just with writings and blog shoutings but with real people who could put forth cogent answerable thoughts and questions. This was not done here. One has to ask why? When I mentioned to one of the members of the church where I serve as a ruling elder that a committee had been formed by the PCA to “study” Federal Vision and NPP etc. and that they had finished their work, his first question to me seem reasonable. He asked who made up the committee and if there were those who were “for” and “against” so as to adequately study and discuss the matters at hand. When I told him that only opponents were on the committee (and I might add some of those proponents had already made their opinions quite well known in published writings and internet dialog) his gut response was “then the study committee was a sham. How can you have divergent theological views being espoused in a denomination, set up a study committee to actually study and dialog and only have one side represented?” My question indeed. I must admit that I am a presuppositionalist, but this kind of presupposition concerning my mother church I did not want to hold. At least a little window dressing to include a “token” FV proponent might have given more credibility to the committee. Certainly this committee’s report will do nothing to dissuade FV proponents that this is more a matter of a “witchhunt” with a forgone conclusion then a serious attempt to deal with the issues. Four presbyteries have already dealt with FV proponents and while they agree that they have disagreements with some of the FV musings, all have clearly made it known that the men under question are within the bounds of orthodoxy and Westminster. In all sincerity, why not have proponents on the committee? There are certainly men who are articulate, members in good standing in their respective presbyteries who could have adequately represented the position. The notable absence of such men was a great disservice to both the committee and the assembly at large. Are we viewed as men with such a lack of ability to follow theological arguments that we must be spoon fed the “appropriate” line and no more? This type of action demonstrates a great lack of trust and confidence the elders’ ability to actually do the work of “Bereans”. It is also a lack of faith in the Holy Spirit’s ability to rightly persuade men. We have been treated like children whose “parents” must do the thinking for them.

He is absolutely correct in this comment, in my opinion. Even in major cases facing the United States Supreme Court there are majority and minority positions released for the public to digest. Furthermore, ecclesiastically we have had examples of majority and minority reports released on matters such as paedocommunion. Why not in this case?


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Comment from: Barry Hofstetter [Visitor] Email · http://mysite.earthlink.net
I hate to say it, Bill, but the argument presented above is simply an extended ad hominem. Much better if the individual had responded to the actual arguments made by the committee. As for representing diverse theological opinions, the PCA is a church, not a social club. Divergent theological views on the end times is one thing; divergent theological views which call into question faith fundamentals such as justification by faith deserve simply to be condemned.
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Comment from: Adrian Nielsen [Visitor] Email
I agree with Barry. This comment on the PCA study would have been a good intro to show fallacious arguments, but just as he gets me energized to hear the blatant bias in the arguments, he does not show alot, much less one fallacious argument.
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Comment from: William Hill [Member] Email · http://www.rtrc.net
Barry,

I am not sure a social club ideaology is the issue here nor do I think that "faith fundamentals" have been called into question. What has been called into question (at least from some FV guys) is the WCF and its agreement with Scripture in some of the topics. Again, I see no reason to allow for a minority position and since the "study" committee did not call the FV advocates "heretics" (in fact, it called them brothers) there could have been room for honest dialog within the committee with one or two FV advocates.
PermalinkPermalink 05/09/07 @ 06:49
Comment from: Lou G [Visitor] Email · http://nourl.org
I also agree with Barry and Adrian. What I keep seeing over and over is the FV guys refuse to submit to any authority other than their own specific ideas about these issues. It seems to me that just about every recognized leader in reformed circles: Ligon Duncan
RC Sproul
John Piper
Rick Phillips
JI Packer
Jerry Bridges
Michael Horton
Bryan Chappell
Alfred Poirier
Don Carson
Carl Trueman
Peter Lillback

All of these leaders have made statements regarding FV that are in accordance with the PCA committee report.

So, I suppose the next thing we might expect to see is the rebellion of unsubmitted teachers.
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Comment from: William Hill [Member] Email · http://www.rtrc.net
And what I keep seeing over and over again is these guys preaching to the choir. Now, if we are going to create a "study" committee then lets study the issue by bringing some advocates of the FV to the table as well. Otherwise, please do not call it a "study" committee because it wasn't. It was a committee that was going to come to the conclusions that they came to regardless. No minority issue. Nothing.

Now let's consider the Divines for a moment. Do you think that all of the members were in total agreement over EVERY issue? In fact, are you aware that the most debated topic in the Confession was justification!? There were minority positions even at Westminster in the 1600's so WHY can't there be one here? The simple answer is that it was impossible for one because no one who represented the minority was present.
PermalinkPermalink 05/09/07 @ 13:35
Comment from: Joe [Visitor] Email · http://reformedvirginian.wordpress.com
Do you men think it makes any difference that FV folks have produced so much public material on their views? It seems their works should speak for themselves even if they don't have someone on the committee. It seems to me that what we need on a study committee is our best theological minds not our most diverse theological minds. We also need to remind ourselves that this is a committee and not a commission. We are Presbyterians and so the presbyters as a plurality must make the final call.
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Comment from: William Hill [Member] Email · http://www.rtrc.net
Well Joe, herein lies a problem for the PCA. Will the GA make the final determination on this report or will it be handed over to the SJC for final deliberation? I have a great deal of trouble with the SJC and their involvement in judicial cases.
PermalinkPermalink 05/09/07 @ 21:24
Comment from: Joe [Visitor] Email · http://reformedvirginian.wordpress.com
I find it highly unlikely that SJC will decide it. I admit that I haven't done research on this, but I don't recall a study committee report that didn't precipitate some sort of floor debate and action.

Btw, I grew up in Va Beach. Good to know you're there.
PermalinkPermalink 05/10/07 @ 14:44
Comment from: John Harley [Visitor] Email
It seems that when someone doesn't want to deal with the substance of an argument the easiest form of dispatch is to cry ad hominem thereby indicating that what was said was fallacious and that is the end of the discussion. Let me point out that ad hominem is not fallacious if the "attack" goes tothe cridibility of the argument. Credibility is precisely my point as relates to the FV Study Committee. Let's take a look. The overture to GA came from the Rocky Mountain Presbytery of which TE Aquila is a member. Then as moderator of GA he becomes the vehicle by which the "Study Committee" is named. All of the TEs on the committee have spoken in the negative concerning FV. In June and July of 2006 Presbyterian and Reformed blog sites are full of words of encouragement from anti-FV men encouraging one another to not fear since the committee is basically made up of anti-FV men and according to them, rightly so. Again my argument goes to credibilty.

Please don't insult my intelligence with "The PCA is a church not a social club". Though I sometimes wonder, the way many presbyters dress to conduct the formal business of the church, I agree. Nevertheless, there are ample examples from our history, to show that "study committes" are manned by advocates and opponents. Examples were given in my previous post. If you want the theological reasons which also call into question the credibility of the report, see Jeffrey Meyer 30 reasons why it would be inadvisable to accept the report.
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